Well, you got to integrate it with, this and you got to change this, and they were looking from the paradigm of what they built five years ago. 

And I said, it's okay to burn that down. Let's think about it brand new, because we can do, in years past with the old development life cycle, you might remodel versus build new, because a remodel was cheaper or quicker. 

And so I challenged them and said, I'm going to go try it myself. I built this before, many years ago, let me just, start going at it, and so I would just carve out four hours every Sunday, because that's what my wife would give me, and in five Sundays, I built not just a prototype, I built a full working system, 60 entities, a full React front end, all the APIs, a full batch process, and then I said, you do a demo of yours, and I'll do a demo of mine. 

And so, And by the way, they had some terrific things they built as well,