They were told, like us, if you go to college, you work hard, you'll get a job, a career. So you'll start with a job of some kind and it will work its way into a career and then you'll have a life. 

And all of that's predicated on just doing well and don't getting too many things on this permanent record. 

Turns out there's no permanent record, spoiler alert. But just do well enough to get into a good college and everything will be fine. 

What they didn't tell them was when we went to college, it was $5,000 or $10,000 a year in tuition. 

So you could get out of college with $25,000, $50,000. On the high end. On the high end of debt. I graduated with, I think, $7,000 or $8,000 in debt. 

My first job when I was working in IT was $60,000 a year. So if you were to look at my pay as a function of... That's good bank back then, actually. It was pretty great. Yeah, I was in IT, but it was maybe 15% of my yearly salary was my total salary.